[network] @featherydouche; digging for info; text; night 175 [open]

[mrcreamsicles]

sup norfinbury
for those who dont know me the names davesprite and ive got some questions
first off im wondering if any of yall have any info or stuff youve seen or just weird shit that has happened that you dont think is marked down anywhere
or that has since been forgotten about but youre still wondering what the fuck
because ive been doing a lot of reading up on this place and the vast array of nonsense that goes down on the regular to try and consolidate it all a little better
partly to write a guide to help catch the newbies up to speed and part because i want to find out whats going on
so if theres anything
some little factoid that you dont know how it links up but is too weird to ignore
something no one talks about anymore but might have a part in this
anything youre just plain curious about
go ahead and list it off and we can get ourselves a discussion going

secondly
who here can tell me about the trolls that were around
i know there were at least four because ive seen them in the morgues
theyre related to the place i come from but it seems like they were all gone before i showed up
and its kind of weird to think about
on that note
was anyone by the name john egbert rose lalonde or dave strider ever here before
jade might have mentioned them so dont worry about that
im asking if they were in the town at all
thats all

Comments

[mrcreamsicles]

im not really the best dude to talk religion with
just saying
because what makes the difference between humanity and divinity
a god creates a world or a universe maybe but so what
aliens did it
humans do it again in the future
if its being immortal and having special powers my teammates had that too
hell they even reached something called god tier

[warriorscribe]

It's not something I haven't had to ponder, myself. I am immortal - or I was, and had special powers, before this place. And yet, I would not consider myself truly divine.

I would say the difference is in origin. Humans or human-like beings such as the monsters of Frisk's world are of mortal origin even if they themselves are not or are no longer mortal. We are born through mundane means. Divine beings are created, rather than born. How we came to be shapes how we see the world and others, and I think that creates a distinction.

this is absolutely not where I expected the thread to go but it's fun

[mrcreamsicles]

gonna have to stop you there too enoch
none of my team were born
one of my friends made us
he copied our guardians from themselves and got us from the mixed dna
then the resulting babies got sent back to earth in the past via meteor to land and be raised up to become our current selves in a stable time loop
we lived like normal humans for part of it until we started the game and eventually learned where the ectobiology came from
but you probably know that even being born and living a human life didnt preclude jeezy c from being considered god by some people

isn't it though!

[warriorscribe]

You still were born and lived as a mortal, even if your conception wasn't ordinary. I stand partially corrected, but I did say the distinction is about how we see the world.

And, how could I forget? How we see ourselves.

Which do you consider yourself? Which do you consider your people?

[mrcreamsicles]

seems to me like youre splitting hairs
i was human and now im a sprite
and my teammates are human or mostly human too
but what do you call being a god if ascending to god tier gaining massively powerful abilities and creating an entire new universe dont count
like to be honest i dont give a shit about whether that makes them literally divine
im not about to bow down and worship anyone
but it sounds a lot like youre ignoring how theyve done what gods are generally said to do just because it doesnt fit the view you want to have

[warriorscribe]

You said "what makes the difference between humanity and divinity", and I gave the best response I could. I'm not ignoring it. A label can't change what they can and cannot do.

But at the same time, my experience with divine beings tells me there is something fundamentally inhuman in how they perceive the world. The angels I know, they don't understand the finer details of what it means to live on Earth. They have been too far removed from it. They don't know what it is to need to learn. To be a child. I don't mean it to demean them, I love my friends dearly. But it's also why I still call myself human, because though I can do what they do and would not age, it isn't who I am.

You and your friends are free to decide for yourselves what you are - free will is something that no one should presume to take. I only want to say that you need not feel pressured to call yourselves something you don't want. Because no ascension can truly take all that you once were.

I suppose the answer to the initial question is "what you make of it".

[mrcreamsicles]

hm
thats pretty well reasoned
ill take it
though im just going to leave the subject of free will in a corner because that kind of philosophizing is more complicated than i care to deal with right now
have you really met angels before
asking from curiosity not doubt because they dont exist where im from

[warriorscribe]

I have. My closest friend is an angel, in fact. I can hardly remember a time he wasn't at my side. Before coming here, I mean.

I suppose from your position you can see it's fact they don't.

[For any other circumstance, he'd appeal to the lack of certain evidence, but...not here.]

[mrcreamsicles]

yeah pretty much
they probably would have come in and gone yo what the fuck by now if they were hanging around doing some godly will
but the earth got pulverized without a hitch so whatever
how the heck do human dudes get to befriending angels though

[warriorscribe]

By catching God's eye somehow. I don't recall the details, but I was invited to live in Heaven, and I do mean live, that is, still alive. That isn't a normal occurrence by any means.

That was three hundred years and some decades ago, however. Forgive my lack of clear memory of the time.

[mrcreamsicles]

huh
no wonder youve got your perspective on gods if youre a special old ass friend of angels from heaven
we had an afterlife but it was a bunch of bubbles glubbed up by space calamari on the edge of reality

[warriorscribe]

So the space between worlds is as an ocean where you come from? That's not too dissimilar, I think, from what little I've heard of it, save the existence of life within it.

[mrcreamsicles]

no
its not an ocean at all
just a bunch of bubbles floating out in that chunk of existence where space and time dont work normal ways
im not talking normal squid calamari either
more like giant eldritch nonsense called horrorterrors

[warriorscribe]

That's certainly descriptive. If they create these bubbles, I take it they aren't pleasant?

[mrcreamsicles]

the bubbles at least give someplace for all the dead people to go
but i wouldnt call the horrorterrors pleasant no
theyre creepy as shit and they kinda possessed my sister once from what ive been told

[warriorscribe]

Is there no better place for these poor souls to go than in the company of these things? They sound like demons to me, possession and all. Demonic possession is one of the worst things one can be subjected to. Was your sister able to be freed?

[mrcreamsicles]

no afterlife besides that one
i dont think theyre demons in a normal sense
the details arent really my thing and i dont want to go digging into their freaky tentacle secrets
but yeah rose was fine in the long run
like this is going to sound bad and i suppose it is
but she wound up dying from trying to fight this dude and after she got revived she was back to normal
and now shes a god tier so she cant die as easily anyway

[warriorscribe]

So you had a means of revival? Only two people in my world can say as much. Death isn't pleasant by any means, but I'm glad it didn't take her from you.

[mrcreamsicles]

its kind of complicated
normally a dead person stays dead especially just for regular people back when earth was a thing
but sburb carries some ways to get around it
each player has a dream self that they can be revived into if their regular body dies
and god tier players can only die permanently if the death can be judged just or heroic otherwise they come back automatically
i saved someone once by time traveling back to stop him from dying
and probably a player with the right aspect could revive people too
aspects are part of titles were given that determine our abilities and roles btw
how did it work in your world for those two

[warriorscribe]

Who judges them?

I, one of the two, have help from a time traveler, myself. The other died, in truth, but was allowed to reincarnate with full memory of her previous life.

[mrcreamsicles]

its not a who that does the judging
and its not really a personal force either
more like
i dont know
some inherent part of the game
knowing the how and why wasnt part of the info i got imparted just that thats how it works
but hey youre a time traveler too huh
so was i
tell me about that

[warriorscribe]

Not myself, in truth. My dearest friend is an Archangel with control over time. When I am on the verge of death, he rescues me by freezing time and removing me from danger, or returning me to an earlier time.

[mrcreamsicles]

dearest friend
so he knows you appreciate it?

[He has to ask.]

[warriorscribe]

[And because he associates with a time traveler, he knows why. Or can guess, at least.]

Of course. I don't think I always remembered what happened in the events that never came to be, when he pulls me from the brink of death, but I remember without fail now.

[mrcreamsicles]

ok good
thats all i needed to know

[He's not going to say it, but it sucks to save someone only to get treated ungratefully for it.]